Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

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Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by mike_mgoblue » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:12 am

I'm just wondering if anyone else has noticed Java and MKV show TWO "Main Features" of the exact same movie in Men In Black International?

These two versions are the same length.

I've only had time to look at the first version of the film, but the first "Main Feature" appears to be identical to the movie.

I'm not sure if the file labeled as "Main Feature 2" is the same or different in some way.

Any thoughts or advice from anyone would be appreciated.

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by thedigitalhobo » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:37 am

the ol' powerdvd/procmon snooping shows the first main feature (402.mpls) as the proper one.

There's a difference in the segment map in the middle.

Feature 1: Segment map: 1,382,383,384,385
Feature 2: Segment map: 1,382,386,384,385

Having not seen the movie yet, I would guess that the scene has international/foreign signage in one version and english signage in the other. That tends to be one of the usual differences between nearly identical titles. There's "something" different, for sure. 383 and 386 are very close in file size, but not identical.

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by Grauhaar » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:24 am

Make a decrypted backup and view rhe stream files 00383.m2ts and 00386.m2ts to find it out ... :)
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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by llaffer » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:54 pm

The difference is the images that show up on the monitor.

00402.mpls is the one you want.
00406.mpls uses the alternate imagery.

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by mike_mgoblue » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:33 am

llaffer wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:54 pm
The difference is the images that show up on the monitor.

00402.mpls is the one you want.
00406.mpls uses the alternate imagery.
I do not see either one labeled as 00402.mpls or 00406.mpls.

I played both version simultaneously and literally watched them on two different windows simultaneously. I did not find a difference in the two versions.

If anyone can tell me which version is the "correct" version and another way to identify it - possibly based on the title ended with ".mkv" I would be thankful.

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by mike_mgoblue » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:35 am

Grauhaar wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:24 am
Make a decrypted backup and view rhe stream files 00383.m2ts and 00386.m2ts to find it out ... :)
My disc does not seem to have files labeled as "00383.m2ts" or "00386.m2ts".

I watched the two versions simultaneously on two different windows simultaneously and did not notice any differences.

There must be some form of brief difference, though. ... If anyone can let me know what that difference is and when it occurs and let me know which version is correct, I would be thankful.

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by Grauhaar » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:18 am

mike_mgoblue wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:35 am
My disc does not seem to have files labeled as "00383.m2ts" or "00386.m2ts".
Take a look into the shown MPLS segment maps and find the difference.
Feature 1: Segment map: 1,382,383,384,385
Feature 2: Segment map: 1,382,386,384,385
Maybe your disc has different stream segments .....
Good Luck :)
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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by mike_mgoblue » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:51 am

Grauhaar wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:18 am
mike_mgoblue wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:35 am
My disc does not seem to have files labeled as "00383.m2ts" or "00386.m2ts".
Take a look into the shown MPLS segment maps and find the difference.
Feature 1: Segment map: 1,382,383,384,385
Feature 2: Segment map: 1,382,386,384,385
Maybe your disc has different stream segments .....

Grauhaar, I no longer have the disc. I did back up both versions of the disc. Is there any chance you might be able to find the difference in the movie and tell me "what" that difference is and "when" the difference occurs, so then I can find it and determine which file is the one to keep. Thank you for your help.

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by manHands » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:43 pm

Anyone ever figure this out? I have two different mpls options of identical length with one difference in the segment map...

Source file name: 00251.mpls
Duration: 1:54:49
Chapters count: 16
Size: 45.1 GB
Segment count: 5
Segment map: 1,337,338,339,340

Source file name: 00252.mpls
Duration: 1:54:49
Chapters count: 16
Size: 45.1 GB
Segment count: 5
Segment map: 1,337,342,339,340

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by gamereviewgod » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:51 pm

Can't say for sure in this case, but a lot of times there's an alternate language version included. Say, one where all the background signage or displays use Spanish instead of English. I've ripped the wrong one before and this was usually the result.

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by Grauhaar » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:43 am

The solution to find it out is in the thread. Make a backup and view the two different stream segments to determine which mpls should be the right. Easy to solve :D
Good Luck :)
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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by zipzaprap » Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:29 am

^ that's not easy. My disc has 8 (eight!) files. I've made a MKV of each and now trying to figure out which one is correct. Huge pain in the backside

edit: though I'm happy to be told I'm reading this wrong!

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by ozymandias » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:30 pm

zipzaprap wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:29 am
^ that's not easy. My disc has 8 (eight!) files. I've made a MKV of each and now trying to figure out which one is correct. Huge pain in the backside

edit: though I'm happy to be told I'm reading this wrong!
Did anybody ever resolve this? I have 8 files as well and am struggling to see what differentiates them.

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by VarHD » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:31 pm

I'm just about to rip this movie (the 4K version) and I also see 8 versions. They're all the same length, but they refer to different segments:

Men In Black- International_t01.mkv
Source file name: 00252.mpls
Segment map: 1,337,342,339,340

Men In Black- International_t02.mkv
Source file name: 00257.mpls
Segment map: 1,337,343,339,345

Men In Black- International_t03.mkv
Source file name: 00258.mpls
Segment map: 1,337,344,339,345

Men In Black- International_t04.mkv
Source file name: 00259.mpls
Segment map: 1,337,338,339,340

Men In Black- International_t05.mkv
Source file name: 00260.mpls
Segment map: 1,337,338,339,345

Men In Black- International_t06.mkv
Source file name: 00261.mpls
Segment map: 1,337,342,339,345

Men In Black- International_t07.mkv
Source file name: 00262.mpls
Segment map: 1,337,343,339,340

Men In Black- International_t08.mkv
Source file name: 00263.mpls
Segment map: 1,337,344,339,340

I think I'll just go with the first one, that is t01 aka 00252.mpls.

Eh, I wish those studios would include a convenient TXT file with ripping instructions or add some "Rip this one" metadata to those files ;)

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Re: Men In Black International - 2 Main Features

Post by VarHD » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:54 pm

I figured it out. I made a backup and watched all 4 .m2ts files (338, 342, 343 and 343) which are short 21 second scenes where the agent enters an area and she looks at a screen/monitor. In each file, there's different content on the monitor - the first one shows Elon Musk, the second one shows Piers Morgan and the third and fourth some female models I can't identify (maybe some local international celebrities).

This doesn't seem to affect the plot or dialogue in any way because there's no sound coming from that screen so technically it doesn't matter which one you get. I'm just guessing the first one with Elon Musk is aimed at the US audience, Piers Morgan is aimed at the UK and the other two are shown in other countries.

BTW, I'm talking about the UHD version which has 8 separate playlists, but I suspect this will also apply to the regular FHD Blu-ray.

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